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Zelts vs PUPs.

            So it's pretty clear to anyone with a head with contents that you'll be sleeping outside in this hobby. You'll presumably want to look after all the kit you've just spent money on and time putting together... so when at a show, you'll want to have a tent (about as secure as you get at shows) to keep it safe in. This is where the problems starts. Airborne re-enactors for years have used PUP tents.... but the airborne didn't jump with them into Normandy, so if doing any early impression in Normandy then the PUP isn't an option as there would have been NONE IN NORMANDY in the early days.

So what are the other options. Civilian tents kept away from the display... simple a ball ache to keep striking and pitching each night and then hiding away throughout the day.


Lots of groups use small wall tents and frankly this is bordering on crazy, seeing as jumping with a PUP was out of the question... how the hell would you jump with one of those! 

Our logic, and this will make lots of the die hard 'Glendas'* fan boys cry is that PUPs are not in Normandy (as agreed by Karen) that we would use something that was there. Zeltbahns!, I know, those German 1/4 shelter pieces that can be put together to build a mother-fucking-tent-pyramid to scale if you really wanted to do so. Those are in France, considering the equipment and positions that the Americans took, these unlike PUPs would have been in easy supply. So with out any realistic other options (see below of one ridiculous suggestion) we decided to spend near on £1000 on Zelts for the group to use. 

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Dave

           I love that comment as soon as I saw it, I didn't really feel that it needed a reply, other than my laughing face. Sticks and a roan coat... because that'll keep thousands of pounds of kit safe/dry and protected for a weekend. Once again proving that nobody is actually reading what we are saying and the problem we are trying to find a solution too. I saw comments on a FB thread that 'we just want a reason to use Zelts", yeah of course, I couldn't wait to spend £1000 on loads of those when I could have brought something more interesting for myself. Maybe this is the issue that lots of guys actually have... they'd have to buy something different. Then again if you're are member of GI44-45, you practically have to own one of everything item of US kit ever made as they change units every other week... there members must really love sewing, painting, changing and adjusting webbing. Something again that I once clashed with Karen about when he suggested we go to a 101stt 506th thing... I said I'm not repainted my fucking helmet and changing all the unit identifiers just to go to a BOB thing! He didn't take that too we either.

           Now I don't care what everyone uses, sleep in cardboard washing machine box for all I care, sleep in PUP tents, sleep in your car. This is what we do, this is our view point. Some  even calling it crap without even asking us why we do it. Frankly I think that the bulk of what you say, do and spout is not for us. Do I go on FB and call you out, nope. BUT, fuck ya... every member of MD44 is sick of your constant criticism. Most of it being meaningless and pointless and just moaning for the sake of it. Like the comment about they just look like a bunch of kids.... ummmmm... even the veterans say they were just kids when they went to war?!?! We are tired of your constant digs, its boring. So Karen, do yourself and your group a favour and please shut up before this does turn nasty and your whole group gets dragged into this. If you don't like what we do, great. Keep to yourself, bitch to members of your group, not to us. We are not interested.

             For those that say and commented on that thread... let me recap. As everything we said seemed to either go over peoples heads or be miss-understood.

1. NO PUP TENTS IN NORMANDY (in first week)
2. There are no PUP tents in Normandy, so no they can't be split down an put in musette bags.
3. Musette bags should have correct contents in them, including a raincoat.
4. Raincoats and sticks are not secure.
5. NO SMALL WALLS either
6. Give me another option that is suitable to sleep in and store kit in... 
7. Zelts over foxholes will be done BUT not all shows allow digging in, so then what?

             We have never said "Everyone needs to go buy Zelts and all sleep in those". We said, "this is what we do and this is why". If you don't like that then, great! If you don't want to do it, great! If you can't afford to buy then, fine. Yet, to just state that its SOMEONES CRAP because you can't come up with a better/realistic suggestion is pathetic.  I'd actually prefer it if no other group purchased them, let Miss Drop 44 be the only group who does this. You all stay in your small walls, modern tents or PUPs. 


* A combination of two names that love to belittle others and put as many people down as they can to build themselves up. No interest in helping the hobby, only in inflating their egos into letting people know how much knowledge they have with zero desire to share it or help. Happy to slate whatever you say/suggest and demand your reference points, but if you ask for theirs... just expect the wait to be infinite.

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Karen

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Karen

That's me by the way Karen is talking about :) one person's crap bless... I'm sure this page will grow at a rate of knots... maybe it should be more about a warning to people coming into the hobby to stay off FB groups, stay away from forums. Simply because some of the people that are on them are only about building their own castles up and stomping down other peoples. 

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            So I guess this isn't going to stop anytime soon today... more and more comments from the stick and raincoat guy... Screen shots are just easier.

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Dave

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Dave

It would seem like someone is on a mission here... all we need now is a chant "Lets go PUP tents, lets go" & "down with the Zelts"... I'm not sure how clear I can make it. I don't care what you do and this is what we are going to do

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@Dave

Karen

Karen

Yup, well said Sam. Totally bored of this now... I'm done. Sleep in a PUP that was 'never' ;) in Normandy, or sleep in a Zelt that was, albeit probably never used in this fashion out-right. I would agree that one was slightly more authentic than the other. As one was possible and one wasn't... but go sleep in a hotel if you can't decide. I really don't care. Funny thing is, since thise we've not actually used the Zelts, instead purchasing a whole load of QMi's parachutes and suspend those in the woods fo improvised shelters. See the photos of the 101st artillery unit after the battle for Carentan that were taken by Time magazine.

Leader of the Zelt Agenda signing off!



Updated 03-04-2023 - woo woo woo
 

For those keen eye'd viewers of this page, you'll now notice that the peoples names have been altered. It seems that whilst they view as slating and slagging off of what we do acceptable, both publically and in provate messages to people (amazing who tells me things)... when it's highlighted for others too see they get all butt hurt and snowflake melty. They even went as far as to suggest taking legal action... sound familair to anyone. I haven't bothered replying to their repeated private messages yet and am not going to bother to do so, despite the demanads made by Karen that I had to. Sending me a message on a weekend demanging I reply before the week starts. How stupid does he think I am, wants me to reply before I can go to my solicitors, a real one that is, not an imaginary one like Russells (remember him?). So, to try and stop the tidal levels increasing astronomically and us all getting our homes flooded out (thats a joke btw) I have edited out there names to Dave and Karen. Both on this website and in the book as Karen demanded. Actually pretty good timing as it was coming up to reprint time again, so those edits can be done as they 'demanded'... demands that I will follow to the letter.

For me not to use Karens real name

For me not to use Karens photo

For me not to sell anymore copies of V3; or any other that contain what makes him cry. (V3 sold out ages ago and there are only a few of 3.5 left, and your name/photo from offending page will simple be removed). However, 3.69 (amusingly numbered after this game started) will be printed shortly, following Karens rules above. 

04-04-2023 - As Dave is a nice and reasonable guy it was easy to appease him. All his name and photo obscured from the website, current book and future books. No problem. Hint to all, if you want me to do something, its far easier to ask nicely. You wouldn't hit a donkey with a shovel and expect it to behave in a nice manner... yes, I did just compare my self to a stubborn ol' donkey. 

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03/05/2023 - So Karen is bitching to people behind my back, calling me chi

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